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<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xml:lang="en-US"><title type="html">Mormon Transhumanist Association: Faith</title><subtitle type="html" /><id>http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/atom.aspx</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/default.aspx" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/atom.aspx" /><generator uri="http://communityserver.org" version="2.0.60217.2664">Community Server</generator><updated>2007-09-07T21:50:00Z</updated><entry><title>Mormonism is No New Thing</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2008/02/03/4094.aspx" /><id>http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2008/02/03/4094.aspx</id><published>2008-02-03T17:45:00Z</published><updated>2008-02-03T17:45:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;P&gt;"Mormonism, to me, is but another name for God's truth, and to find the fullness of that truth we would have to bring together and aggregate the truth of all religions, adding thereto all others that God would or could reveal.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;"Truth is truth, where'er `tis found,&lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;On Christian or on heathen ground.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;"This religion called Mormonism is no new thing.&amp;nbsp; According to our view it is the oldest of all religions.&amp;nbsp; It has been upon the earth in different ages, being revealed from heaven from time to time as often as it became necessary to renew the sacred fire upon the altar of the human heart, and revive in men's souls the knowledge of truth which they had turned from and forgotten. Its object from the first has been man's salvation -- the salvation of all men, who are universally the children of God.&amp;nbsp; You who have supposed that Mormonism is a narrow and exclusive faith, have not understood it aright.&amp;nbsp; If I knew of a religion that was broader and better I would embrace it.&amp;nbsp; But to me it is the broadest, the best, the most reasonable of all religions, and consequently I remain a Mormon.&amp;nbsp; My religion proposes to save all men, but to save them upon just and consistent principles; not the rewarding of one soul for the good done by another, nor the punishment of the innocent for the misdeeds of the guilty, nor the never-ending punishment of any soul; but the judging of all men according to their works, and their salvation according to their merits in different degrees of glory.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;"Mormonism teaches that God was once just like ourselves; that the eternal part of Him was enshrined in mortal flesh, subject to mortal ills and earthly pains and toils.&amp;nbsp; I do not now refer to the experience of the Savior in the meridian of time.&amp;nbsp; I mean that in the far away aeons of the past God once dwelt upon an earth like this, and that through its trials and vicissitudes and the experience they afforded He became a more intelligent being than before, ascending finally by obedience to certain principles, ennobling and exalting in their nature, to the plane which He now occupies.&amp;nbsp; These truths, forming the ladder up which He climbed to celestial heights, up which we too are expected to climb from earth to heaven, from mortality to immortality, from a world where grief and sorrow reign, to a better and brighter sphere where sorrow and suffering are unknown--these truths are self-existent and eternal.&amp;nbsp; God did not create them.&amp;nbsp; Intelligence, the light of truth, cannot be created.&amp;nbsp; But by means of His superior intelligence, which is his glory and which makes Him God He instituted laws whereby the rest, the lesser intelligences, might advance like Himself.&amp;nbsp; These laws we call the Gospel, the plan of salvation, formulated in the heavens before this world was, and revealed again and again to the children of Adam for their salvation.&amp;nbsp; We hold that men are literally the sons and daughters of God; that He intends we shall become like Him; and it is certainly reasonable to expect that the child will eventually develop to the status of the Parent.&amp;nbsp; We are divine beings in embryo, and it is only a question of time when we shall blossom in perfection."&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;(Orson F Whitney, Collected Discourses 3: 45)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://transfigurism.org/community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=4094" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Lincoln Cannon</name><uri>http://transfigurism.org/community/members/Lincoln+Cannon.aspx</uri></author></entry><entry><title>We and Our Dead are not Perfect without Each Other</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/11/10/3737.aspx" /><id>http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/11/10/3737.aspx</id><published>2007-11-10T23:50:00Z</published><updated>2007-11-10T23:50:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;P&gt;"And now, my dearly beloved brethren and sisters, let me assure you that these are principles in relation to the dead and the living that cannot be lightly passed over, as pertaining to our salvation. For their salvation is necessary and essential to our salvation, as Paul says concerning the fathers—that they without us cannot be made perfect—neither can we without our dead be made perfect.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;"And now, in relation to the baptism for the dead, I will give you another quotation of Paul, 1 Corinthians 15:29: Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;"And again, in connection with this quotation I will give you a quotation from one of the prophets, who had his eye fixed on the restoration of the priesthood, the glories to be revealed in the last days, and in an especial manner this most glorious of all subjects belonging to the everlasting gospel, namely, the baptism for the dead; for Malachi says, last chapter, verses 5th and 6th: Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;"I might have rendered a plainer translation to this, but it is sufficiently plain to suit my purpose as it stands. It is sufficient to know, in this case, that the earth will be smitten with a curse unless there is a welding link of some kind or other between the fathers and the children, upon some subject or other—and behold what is that subject? It is the baptism for the dead. For we without them cannot be made perfect; neither can they without us be made perfect. Neither can they nor we be made perfect without those who have died in the gospel also; for it is necessary in the ushering in of the dispensation of the fulness of times, which dispensation is now beginning to usher in, that a whole and complete and perfect union, and welding together of dispensations, and keys, and powers, and glories should take place, and be revealed from the days of Adam even to the present time. And not only this, but those things which never have been revealed from the foundation of the world, but have been kept hid from the wise and prudent, shall be revealed unto babes and sucklings in this, the dispensation of the fulness of times.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;"Now, what do we hear in the gospel which we have received? A voice of gladness! A voice of mercy from heaven; and a voice of truth out of the earth; glad tidings for the dead; a voice of gladness for the living and the dead; glad tidings of great joy. How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those that bring glad tidings of good things, and that say unto Zion: Behold, thy God reigneth! As the dews of Carmel, so shall the knowledge of God descend upon them!&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;"And again, what do we hear? Glad tidings from Cumorah! Moroni, an angel from heaven, declaring the fulfilment of the prophets—the book to be revealed. A voice of the Lord in the wilderness of Fayette, Seneca county, declaring the three witnesses to bear record of the book! The voice of Michael on the banks of the Susquehanna, detecting the devil when he appeared as an angel of light! The voice of Peter, James, and John in the wilderness between Harmony, Susquehanna county, and Colesville, Broome county, on the Susquehanna river, declaring themselves as possessing the keys of the kingdom, and of the dispensation of the fulness of times!&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;"And again, the voice of God in the chamber of old Father Whitmer, in Fayette, Seneca county, and at sundry times, and in divers places through all the travels and tribulations of this Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! And the voice of Michael, the archangel; the voice of Gabriel, and of Raphael, and of divers angels, from Michael or Adam down to the present time, all declaring their dispensation, their rights, their keys, their honors, their majesty and glory, and the power of their priesthood; giving line upon line, precept upon precept; here a little, and there a little; giving us consolation by holding forth that which is to come, confirming our hope!&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;"Brethren, shall we not go on in so great a cause? Go forward and not backward. Courage, brethren; and on, on to the victory! Let your hearts rejoice, and be exceedingly glad. Let the earth break forth into singing. Let the dead speak forth anthems of eternal praise to the King Immanuel, who hath ordained, before the world was, that which would enable us to redeem them out of their prison; for the prisoners shall go free.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;"Let the mountains shout for joy, and all ye valleys cry aloud; and all ye seas and dry lands tell the wonders of your Eternal King! And ye rivers, and brooks, and rills, flow down with gladness. Let the woods and all the trees of the field praise the Lord; and ye solid rocks weep for joy! And let the sun, moon, and the morning stars sing together, and let all the sons of God shout for joy! And let the eternal creations declare his name forever and ever! And again I say, how glorious is the voice we hear from heaven, proclaiming in our ears, glory, and salvation, and honor, and immortality, and eternal life; kingdoms, principalities, and powers!"&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;(Joseph Smith, Doctrine and Covenants 128: 15-23)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://transfigurism.org/community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3737" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Lincoln Cannon</name><uri>http://transfigurism.org/community/members/Lincoln+Cannon.aspx</uri></author></entry><entry><title>Endure and Overcome in the Day of Transfiguration</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/11/10/3736.aspx" /><id>http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/11/10/3736.aspx</id><published>2007-11-10T23:23:00Z</published><updated>2007-11-10T23:23:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;P&gt;"Nevertheless, he that endureth in faith and doeth my will, the same shall overcome, and shall receive an inheritance upon the earth when the day of transfiguration shall come; When the earth shall be transfigured, even according to the pattern which was shown unto mine apostles upon the mount; of which account the fulness ye have not yet received."&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;(Joseph Smith, Doctrine and Covenants 63: 20-21)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://transfigurism.org/community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3736" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Lincoln Cannon</name><uri>http://transfigurism.org/community/members/Lincoln+Cannon.aspx</uri></author></entry><entry><title>Children will Progress from Playing with Mud Worlds to Organizing Worlds for Posterity</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/11/10/3735.aspx" /><id>http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/11/10/3735.aspx</id><published>2007-11-10T18:52:00Z</published><updated>2007-11-10T18:52:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;P&gt;"These children are now at play, making mud worlds. The time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods.”&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;(LDS Church President Lorenzo Snow, Improvement Era, June 1919, 658–59)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://transfigurism.org/community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3735" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Lincoln Cannon</name><uri>http://transfigurism.org/community/members/Lincoln+Cannon.aspx</uri></author></entry><entry><title>The Friends of God Act on Their Own Integrity and Philosophy</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/10/26/3662.aspx" /><id>http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/10/26/3662.aspx</id><published>2007-10-26T19:35:00Z</published><updated>2007-10-26T19:35:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;You have the words of eternal life in your possession. What next? Take your own philosophy; if I am organized and capacitated to receive this glory and this exaltation, I must be the friend of Him who has brought me forth and instituted this exaltation for me; I must not be His enemy at any time. Again, you say, 'we are organized to become Gods, even sons of God; to act independently.' You expect to see the time when you will have at your control worlds on worlds, if your existence endures. . . . 'Now,' say you, 'we are to have kingdoms, thrones, principalities, powers, dominions, &amp;amp;c.' Can you read it in this book? This is the Old and New Testament, which you and I were taught, from our youth, to believe is the word of God. If I am to receive these blessings I will be an independent character, like those who dwell in eternity. If this is the case, let me pause for a moment and use my own natural philosophy. How can I prove myself the friend of God, who has placed all this glory within my reach, unless His influences are withdrawn from me, to see whether or not I will be His friend? At the time when you receive the greatest blessings by the manifestations of the power and Spirit of God, immediately the Lord may leave you to yourselves, that you may prove yourselves worthy of this exaltation. Multitudes, on the right hand and on the left, when this Spirit and power are withdrawn from them, sink into unbelief, and do not know whether there is a God, or not. Ask them, 'What did you realize and experience yesterday?' The reply is, 'I do not know anything about it. I can see this house, I can see the sun I can see men and women, but I can say no more.' 'Do you believe what you believed yesterday?' 'I do not know.'&lt;/SPAN&gt; 
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"Do all people realize that? If they did, let me tell you, they would cling fast to their integrity. When the mind of a righteous man is beclouded by darkness, when he does not know the first thing about the religion he believes in, it is because the vail is dropped so that he may act on the organization of his own individual person, which is calculated to be as independent as the Gods, in the end. When you are fully aware of this, then you are ready to lay down your lives for the cause of God and for His people, if you act on your own integrity and philosophy.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"One of the greatest trials that ever came on the Son of God when he was in the flesh, upon that man whom we hold as our Saviour, was when the mob had him in their possession. They spit on him, scourged him, mocked him, and made a wreath of thorns and placed it upon his head, (and I will insure that it was so placed on his head as to cause the blood to start) and said to him, 'Here is your cross, you poor, worthless scamp, take and carry it on to that hill, for there we are going to nail you to it.' How would you feel in such a time, and at that very hour and moment when this tabernacle suffers, should the Father then withdraw Himself and say, 'Now, my son, I will see whether you will prove yourself worthy or not.' Did he walk up the hill? He did, and carried the cross until he fainted under it; then they took it and went on, and he submitted patiently to the will of his Father.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"Will you submit patiently to the will of your Father in the hour of darkness? Will you say that you are the friends of God?"&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;(Brigham Young, &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.journalofdiscourses.org/Vol_04/refJDvol4-39.html"&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;A target=_blank&gt;Journal of Discourses 4: 199-200&lt;/A&gt;)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;img src="http://transfigurism.org/community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3662" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Lincoln Cannon</name><uri>http://transfigurism.org/community/members/Lincoln+Cannon.aspx</uri></author></entry><entry><title>The Deification of Nothingness</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/10/24/3656.aspx" /><id>http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/10/24/3656.aspx</id><published>2007-10-25T00:52:00Z</published><updated>2007-10-25T00:52:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;P&gt;"The Christian conception of God – God as god of the sick, God as a spider, God as spirit – is one of the most corrupt conceptions of the divine ever attained on earth. It may even represent the low-water mark in the descending development of divine types. God degenerated into a contradiction of life, instead of being its transfiguration and eternal Yes! God as the declaration of war against life, against nature, against the will to live! God – the formula for every slander against ‘this world’, for every lie about the ‘beyond’! God the deification of nothingness, the will to nothingness pronounced holy!"&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;(Friedrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist, in The Portable Nietzsche, Walter Kaufmann, ed. and trans., New York: The Viking Press, 1972, 585-586)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://transfigurism.org/community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3656" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Lincoln Cannon</name><uri>http://transfigurism.org/community/members/Lincoln+Cannon.aspx</uri></author></entry><entry><title>Do Not Fear Revelation in the Laboratory</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/10/04/3617.aspx" /><id>http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/10/04/3617.aspx</id><published>2007-10-05T01:42:00Z</published><updated>2007-10-05T01:42:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"Both science and religion beget humility. Scientists and teachers of religion disagree among themselves on theological and other subjects. Even in our own church men and women take issue with one another and contend for their own interpretations. This free exchange of ideas is not to be deplored as long as men and women remain humble and teachable. Neither fear of consequence or any kind of coercion should ever be used to secure uniformity of thought in the church. People should express their problems and opinions and be unafraid to think without fear of ill consequences.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"We should all be interested in academic research. We must go out on the research front and continue to explore the vast unknown. We should be in the forefront of learning in all fields, for revelation does not come only through the prophet of God nor only directly from heaven in visions or dreams. Revelation may come in the laboratory, out of the test tube, out of the thinking mind and the inquiring soul, out of search and research and prayer and inspiration. We must be unafraid to contend for what we are thinking and to combat error with truth in this divided and imperiled world, and we must do it with the unfaltering faith that God is still in his heaven even though all is not well with the world.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"We should be dauntless in our pursuit of truth and resist all demands for unthinking conformity. No one would have us become mere tape recorders of other people’s thoughts. We should be modest and teachable and seek to know the truth by study and faith. There have been times when progress was halted by thought control. Tolerance and truth demand that all be heard and that competing ideas be tested against each other so that the best, which might not always be our own, can prevail. Knowledge is the most complete and dependable when all points of view are heard. We are in a world of restlessness and skepticism, where old things are not only challenged but often disappear, but also a world of miraculous achievement, undreamed of accomplishment, and terrifying power.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"Science offers wonderful tools for helping to create the brotherhood of humanity on earth, but the cement of brotherhood does not come from any laboratory. It must come from the heart and mind and spirit of men and women.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"Peace and brotherhood can be achieved when the two most potent forces in civilization -- religion and science -- join to create one world in its truest and greatest sense. We should continue to become acquainted with human experience through history and philosophy, science and poetry, art and religion.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"Every discovery of science reveals clearly the divine plan in nature. The remarkable harmony in the physical laws and processes of the universe, from the infinitesimal to the infinite, surpasses mortal understanding and implies a supreme architect, and the beauty and symmetry of God’s handiwork inspire reverence.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"One of the most important things in the world is freedom of the mind; from this all other freedoms spring. Such freedom is necessarily dangerous, for one cannot think right without running the risk of thinking wrong, but generally more thinking is the antidote for the evils that spring from wrong thinking.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"More thinking is required, and we should all exercise our God-given right to think and be unafraid to express our opinions, with proper respect for those to whom we talk and proper acknowledgment of our own shortcomings. We must preserve freedom of the mind in the church and resist all efforts to suppress it. The church is not so much concerned with whether the thoughts of its members are orthodox or heterodox as it is that they shall have thoughts. One may memorize much without learning anything. In this age of speed there seems to be little time for meditation.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;"While speaking of independence and the right to think, to agree or disagree, to examine and question, I need to remind myself not to forget that fixed and unchanging laws govern all God’s creation, whether the vastness of the starry heavens or the minute revolving universe of the atom or human relationships. All is law. All is cause and effect, and God’s laws are universal. God has no favorites; no one is immune from either life’s temptations or the consequences of his or her deeds. God is not capricious."&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;(Hugh B Brown, LDS Church Apostle, “A Final Testimony” from The Memoirs of Hugh B Brown: An Abundant Life)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://transfigurism.org/community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3617" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Lincoln Cannon</name><uri>http://transfigurism.org/community/members/Lincoln+Cannon.aspx</uri></author></entry><entry><title>Durkheim on Religion and Science</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/10/03/3610.aspx" /><id>http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/10/03/3610.aspx</id><published>2007-10-04T01:37:00Z</published><updated>2007-10-04T01:37:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;"This is what the conflict between science and religion is about. People often have an inaccurate idea of it. Some say that science denies religion in principle. But religion exists; it is a system of given facts; in short, it is a reality. How could science deny a reality? Moreover, insofar as religion is action, insofar as it is a human way of living, science could not possibly take its place, for it expresses life, it does not create it. Science can indeed seek to explain faith, but by this very fact it presupposes it. So there is no conflict except on one limited point. Of the two functions that religion originally performed, one exists, but only one, which tends increasingly to escape it: that is the speculative function. What science disputes in religion is not its right to exist but the right to be dogmatic about the nature of things, the kind of special competence it claimed for its knowledge of man and the world. In fact, religion does not know itself. It knows neither what it is made of nor what needs it satisfies. Far from handing down the law to science, it is itself an object of scientific study! And on the other hand, since apart from the reality to which scientific reflection applies, religious speculation has no proper object, religion clearly cannot play the same role in the future that it has in the past. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;"Yet it seems called upon to transform itself rather than to disappear.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;"We have said that there is something eternal in religion, namely the cult, the faith. But men cannot celebrate ceremonies for which they see no rationale, nor accept a faith they cannot understand. To spread it, or simply to maintain it, one must justify it—in other words, generate a theory of it. A theory of this kind is, of course, bound to rely on various sciences from the moment they exist: first, the social sciences, since religious faith has its origins in society; then psychology, since society is a synthesis of human consciousnesses; and of course the natural sciences, since man and society are a function of the universe and can be separated from it artificially.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;"But as important as these borrowings from the sciences might be, they would not suffice; for faith is above all an impulse to act, and science, even pushed to its limits, always remains at a distance from action. Science is fragmentary, incomplete; it progresses slowly and is never finished; life cannot wait. Theories that are meant to promote living and acting are therefore compelled to run ahead of science and complete it prematurely. They are possible only if the demands of practice and vital necessities, such as we feel without any clear perception, push thought ahead of what science allows us to confirm. Thus religions, even the most rational and secularized, cannot and will never be able to dispense with a very special sort of speculation that, while having the same objects as science itself, could never be properly scientific: in it, the obscure intuitions of sensation and sentiment often take the place of logic. On the one hand, this speculation resembles the kind we encounter in older religions; but on the other it is quite distinctive. While claiming to go beyond science, it must begin by knowing science and finding inspiration in it. &lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;"Once the authority of science is established, it must be reckoned with; one can go further than science under the pressure of necessity, but science is the starting point. One can affirm nothing that science denies, deny nothing that it affirms, establish nothing that does not rest, directly or indirectly, on the principles borrowed from it. From then on, faith no longer exerts the same hegemony as before over the system of ideas that we can continue to call religious. It is countered by a rival power that, born from it, submits it henceforth to its criticism and control. And all indicators predict that this control will become ever more extensive and effective, with no possibility of assigning a limit to its future influence."&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class=MsoNormal&gt;Emile Durkheim (2001). &lt;I&gt;Elementary Forms of Religious Life&lt;/I&gt; (Carol Gosman, Trans.). Oxford: University Press. (Original work published 1912). pg. 325-327&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://transfigurism.org/community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3610" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Joey</name><uri>http://transfigurism.org/community/members/Joey.aspx</uri></author></entry><entry><title>Science without Religion is Lame and Religion without Science is Blind</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/09/23/3568.aspx" /><id>http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/09/23/3568.aspx</id><published>2007-09-24T04:12:00Z</published><updated>2007-09-24T04:12:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;P&gt;"Well, I do not think that it is necessarily the case that science and religion are natural opposites. In fact, I think that there is a very close connection between the two. Further, I think that science without religion is lame and, conversely, that religion without science is blind. Both are important and should work hand-in-hand. It seems to me that whoever doesn't wonder about the truth in religion and in science might as well be dead."&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;(Albert Einstein, "The Private Albert Einstein" 85)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://transfigurism.org/community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3568" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Lincoln Cannon</name><uri>http://transfigurism.org/community/members/Lincoln+Cannon.aspx</uri></author></entry><entry><title>Evolved Superhuman Designer May Explain Improbable Complexity in Our World</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/09/07/3531.aspx" /><id>http://transfigurism.org/community/blogs/faith/archive/2007/09/07/3531.aspx</id><published>2007-09-08T04:50:00Z</published><updated>2007-09-08T04:50:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;P&gt;"I am not advocating some sort of narrowly scientistic way of thinking. But the very least that any honest quest for truth must have in setting out to explain such monstrosities of improbability as a rainforest, a coral reef, or a universe is a crane and not a skyhook. The crane doesn't have to be natural selection. Admittedly, nobody has ever thought of a better one. But there could be others yet to be discovered . . . It may even be a superhuman designer -- but, if so, it will almost certainly not be a designer who just popped into existence, or who always existed. If (which I don't believe for a moment) our universe was designed, and a fortiori if the designer reads our thoughts and hands out omniscient advice, forgiveness and redemption, the designer himself must be the end product of some kind of cumulative escalator or crane, perhaps a version of Darwinism in another universe."&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;(Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion 156)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://transfigurism.org/community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3531" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Lincoln Cannon</name><uri>http://transfigurism.org/community/members/Lincoln+Cannon.aspx</uri></author></entry></feed>