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The Preface and Chapter One of "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins

I recently read “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins, who I respect as an excellent (and, dare I say, inspiring) evolutionary biologist. Dawkins has become a prominent atheist in the popular media, selling over a million copies of his book and galvanizing an intellectual crusade against religion.

 

In this and other posts to come, I’m going to write some thoughts in reaction to Dawkins' book. Before getting started with that, however, I’d like to summarize my thoughts and qualify them. First, to summarize, Dawkins misrepresents and misunderstands religion as a whole. Second, to qualify, Dawkins justifiably expresses anger and distrust regarding many particular aspects of religion. His view of religion is more black and white than mine; and, although sympathetic, I disagree with him. God is not always a delusion. Let me explain.

 

In the preface, Dawkins initiates the mischaracterization of religion that he perpetuates throughout the book. He quickly points out an array of evils performed in the name of religion, and then suggests that any goods performed in the name of religion have been done so only because religion usurped the inspirational role. This makes about as much sense as holding someone personally responsible for all of her mistakes while simultaneously claiming that her benevolence is merely a deterministic genetic effect for which she merits no positive esteem. With such a context in place, Dawkins sets out to slay the straw man.

 

In chapter one, “A Deeply Religious Non-Believer”, Dawkins divides religion into two categories: Einsteinian and supernatural. The former he describes as a sort of atheism that uses religious terminology in confusing ways. The latter he describes more or less as dogmatic superstition. Naturalistic theists don’t really exist, he suggests, and for “God” to retain meaning, we must understand it “to denote a supernatural creator that is appropriate for us to worship”. Furthermore, he argues, only atheists believe that “there is nothing beyond the natural, physical world, no supernatural creative intelligence lurking behind the observable universe, no soul that outlasts the body and no miracles – except in the sense of natural phenomena that we don’t understand yet.”

 

Of course, religion is actually more diverse than he acknowledges, as illustrated by Mormonism. Joseph Smith described God quite naturalistically: a material being that found himself amidst material chaos and set about organizing it. Joseph taught further that everything is material, even that which religious persons call “spirit”, which he associated with light. The spirit in each of us, he claimed, endures beyond death; however, this is not necessarily a supernatural claim. With a contemporary perspective, and an interest in charitable interpretation, I think of our spirits as patterns of energy that precede and recede from their manifestation in our mortal bodies. Regarding miracles, Mormonism has a long tradition of understanding them to be law-abiding events that are only temporarily beyond our understanding.

 

In a phrase or two, then, Dawkins undermines his over-generalized argument against religion: “I am calling only supernatural gods delusional . . . a theist believes in a supernatural intelligence”. As a matter of fact, not all religious or theistic persons put their faith in supernatural gods. Dawkins does attempt to address this criticism, by referencing pantheists and those who express faith in metaphorical gods, and suggesting that these are atheists in disguise. However, this does not account for the reality that these persons do not consider themselves atheists, nor does it account for the fact that others (like Mormons, who arguably combine panentheistic and humanistic ideas into their theology) actually do maintain faith in powerful material naturalistic deities. Again, despite the inconvenience for Dawkins, religion is more diverse than he acknowledges.

 

Stay tuned for my thoughts on chapter two and beyond. In the mean time, what do you think?

Published Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:43 PM by Lincoln Cannon

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Joey said:

Take off your mask, you disguised atheist! ;-)

Seriously though, I'm glad you've taken on this project. I think it will bear good fruits. I look forward to reading more.
October 31, 2007 8:42 AM
 

Carl Youngblood said:

Thanks for contributing these ideas Lincoln.  I look forward to reading more.
October 31, 2007 10:57 AM
 

Jonathan Blake said:

I think one of the most frequent criticisms of Dawkins et al. is encapsulated in the phrase "But that's not my God." I agree that's a fair criticism. Dawkins seems to want to slay the dragon of religion at a single blow, but as you say, religion is a diverse phenomenon.

I think Dawkins is much more effective if you let him attack the God who he attacks and ignore his claim that this is everyone's God. There are many people who believe in Dawkins' idea of God. For them, Dawkins' book is trouble. :)
October 31, 2007 2:59 PM
 

Lincoln Cannon said:

Jonathan, I agree that Dawkins criticisms are accurate for a certain kind of God and of some significant aspects of contemporary religion.
October 31, 2007 3:53 PM
 

Jared* said:

I look forward to your posts. Although I have read and watched a fair amount of Dawkins, I have not yet read this book.

I've previously written that I think Mormonism comes closer than any other religion I know of to really engaging some of his arguments.
October 31, 2007 6:52 PM
 

Allen said:

It is true that religion is more diversified than Dawkins might want to admit, but I doubt those differences would be significant to Dawkins. In his address to TED, that is linked in our forum, Dawkins made a comment about people believing in a God for whom there is no evidence. Without evidence, as science sees evidence, a belief in God is supernatural and thus, from Dawkin's viewpoint, delusional.

I like the humanistic aspects of God that are part of Mormonism, but they are not the reason I believe in God and why I'm a Mormon. I believe in God and am a Mormon because that belief adds value to my life. My belief is based on faith not on scientific evidence or logic, and I'm sure Dawkins would consider my belief supernatural and delusional. That is fine with me.

I respect his intellect and his understanding of our physical world. I enjoy hearing his reasons for being an atheist, but they have no value in regard to my choice to believe in God. Just as there is no evidence for God, there is no evidence there is no God. The absence of evidence does not mean the object being considered is false. If we go back about 20 years ago, there was no evidence of planets orbiting distant stars. Scientists at that time would have been inconsistent if they said there were no planets outside our solar system. Today we have evidence there are planets outside our solar system. I think Dawkin's viewpoint is delusional, because he is limiting his search for evidence to information that can presently be detected by scientists. There is no reason to believe that evidence for God can be detected by science, since a belief in God is a belief in a supernatural identity. Yes, we believe God has a perfect, physical body that is not subject to death. But, there is no reason to believe that that physical body is subject to the same laws of science that our bodies are subject to. Joseph Smith, in his description of the First Vision, said the Father and the Son appeared "standing above me in the air". Joseph said Moroni immediately appeared at his bedside. Jesus appeared to the 11 Apostles without entering via a door, and they thought he was a spirit or ghost. These examples, plus the fact that a resurrected body is beyond death, imply that resurrected bodies are subject to different laws than are our mortal bodies. This is what I think Joseph was referring to when he said spirit mater is more refined and pure than our matter.

I think it is illogical and inconsistent for a scientist to be an atheist, but I think it is logical and consistent for a scientist to be an agnostic and to admit he or she doesn't know because there is no scientific evidence one way or another.

Thanks, Lincoln, for your time and effort to review Dawkin's book for us. I'm looking forward to the next post.
October 31, 2007 11:06 PM
 

efrum said:

Lincoln, while Mormonism does embrace some humanistic and naturalistic ideas, in scientific parlance these ideas would best be described as speculation at best.  This is precisely because these ideas are not grounded in any existing scientific evidence.  None!  As Dawkins points out, there is no evidence at all for the existence of God, and every step science takes forward seems to provide more of the exact opposite.  In other words, each step science takes seems to preclude yet another avenue of possilble evidence.  This does not bode well for religion.  Not even Mormon religion.

Allen, I appreciate that you used the word 'choice' to describe your reasons for belief in God.  I think that is an important point.  Anyone who does, in fact, believe in God, does so by choice, and not by evidence.  Because there is no evidence.

Your analogy of extra-solar-system planetary bodies is misleading, however.  Twenty years ago scientists knew some important facts about the known planets (aka-those in our solar system):

1. All known planets orbit a star
2. One known star holds no fewer than nine known planets within its 'gravitational event horizon.'
3. Multiple planets are (provably) known to exist.
4. There are billions of known and observable stars in the observable universe.
5. We know that the gravitational pull of stars tends to 'trap' universal matter naturally.

That's off the top of my head and very basic and I'm certain that any number of us could come up with many more things known in science that affected the argument 20 years ago.  Therefore is was reasonable at the time for scientists to begin looking at the rest of the stars in the universe to see if they could find evidence of additional planets.

Now, let's take a look at God for a moment.  And we can talk about it currently without having to go back 20 years.  What exactly is known about God?

1. Millions of people believe in God.
2. Believers tend to be less inteligent than non-believers.
3. No physical or scientifically viable evidence exists whatsoever backing up the idea of the existence of God as traditionally defined by any major religion.
4. Some have claimed over the years to have seen or conversed with such a being either in dreams or visions.
5. For most such persons evidence suggests that they are less than trustworthy individuals.

That's it as far as I can tell.  Maybe you can think of a few others.  But none of the points that any of us can think of is even remotely on par with even one of the known points about planets twenty years ago.  None!

What is more accurate is Russel's teapot analogy.  In this light it is logical to demand that those who believe in God explain why they believe rather than placing the burden of proving a negative on those who choose, logically, to disbelieve.

As far as ideas of God are concerned, certainly Mormon's God is far more possible than any of the other religions I've studied.  But even so, it is still just precicely as likely as that possible teapot proposed by Russel, if not less so.  Just because something *might* be possible given known science doesn't mean that that possibility itself is evidence in favor of it's existence.
November 1, 2007 2:35 PM
 

Lincoln Cannon said:

efrum,

So far as I am concerned, God is posited, not proven, except within the context of a position. The claim that there is no evidence for God depends entirely on the God you posit. The claim that Mormonism is entirely speculative depends entirely on interpretation. Not all Gods are equal, as not all interpretations of Mormonism are of equal practical consequence. The better interpretations move us, with courage and persistence, toward making a better world.

For some, there is substantial evidence for God. For me, there is substantial evidence for aspects of God. With the apostle Paul, I see Christ in you as you act with compassion toward atonement with diverse persons around you. With the prophet Joseph Smith, I see God in you as you live and act to discover and create the world. These aspects of God, and their counterparts in me, are clearly within my experience, inspiring many of my thoughts and actions. Beyond that, I look with active anticipation toward a future that manifests yet other aspects of God in my experience. Do I think God is manifest in super-intelligent creators of our time and space? Yes, my faith is such, as a matter of practicality. As illustrated by the Simulation Argument, we should probably not expect to become such beings ourselves unless they already exist. I value that goal and exercise faith accordingly.

Faith in God is to discover and join her to the extent she already exists, and to create and become her to the extent she does not yet. Again, this is a matter of proof only within the context of the position. God is first posited in faith, and later proven in experience. God is first prescriptive, and later descriptive.

. . . so far as I am concerned. That's the God I worship.
November 1, 2007 5:45 PM
 

Allen said:

Lincoln,

I think that efrum and I are using the word, evidence, in the same context. Evidence as the scientific community considers evidence. You are using the word in a different context. Like you, I see God in nature and in the acts of service to others. But those are not scientific evidence. There is no scientific evidence for the existence of God. When the Father and the Son appeared to Joseph Smith in the grove, Joseph saw him and talked with him, and he has given us his testimony that that experienced happened. However, that testimony is only the testimony of one boy, and without corroborating evidence, his testimony is of no value as far as scientific evidence is concerned. If the Father and the Son had appeared to the people in New York City, for example, and had held press interviews and had allowed scientists to study their bodies and conduct experiments on them, including attempts to kill them, then we might have had some scientific evidence from that visit. However, God doesn't work that way. He wants us to love him and to follow him because of our faith and the witness of the Spirit. He doesn't want us to follow him because of intellectual, scientific reasons.

efrum,

"Therefore is was reasonable at the time for scientists to begin looking at the rest of the stars in the universe to see if they could find evidence of additional planets."

I agree that the scientists had good reasons for a hypothesis that planets existed outside our solar system, but until about 6 or 7 years ago (I'm just going from memory as to when the first exoplanet was observed) they had no actual evidence of such planets. During the 13 or 14 years until the first exoplanet was observed, the scientists would have had to say, "I don't know." To conclude that no evidence meant there were no planets would have been inconsistent with their roll as scientists.

"In this light it is logical to demand that those who believe in God explain why they believe rather than placing the burden of proving a negative on those who choose, logically, to disbelieve."

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. People who believe in God do so because of choice, and they have no burden, no obligation to explain why they believe that way or to provide scientific evidence for the existence of God. They are free to believe what they want, and I will never challenge them for believing that way. On the other hand, scientists, because they are scientists and are expected to behave like scientists, have, I think, an obligation to explain why they do not believe in God. Giving lack of scientific evidence as a reason for concluding there is no God is a pretty weak reason, in my opinion. At any point in time, a scientist might say that there is no evidence for such and such. However, that lack of evidence does not imply that evidence will not surface later on. So as I indicated in my previous post, I respect scientists who say they are agnostic, but I don't respect the claim of scientists to be atheists, unless they make that claim due to personal choice and not as a result of their research or of philosophical discussions. I respect them, of course, as scientists for their knowledge and achievements, but I don't respect their claim to be atheists because of lack of evidence of God.

I'd like to end this post with a comment about truth. It doesn't matter, efrum, what you say about God. Neither does it matter what I say about God. God does not exist, nor does he not exist because of philosophical reasoning. If he exists, he exists because he exists. If he doesn't exist, he doesn't exist because he doesn't exist. Our beliefs, our reasoning, have nothing to do with the existence or not of God. The truth about God is reality, and reality is the real world, not the hypothetical world of our discussions.



November 1, 2007 8:09 PM
 

Mormon Transhumanists: Lincoln Cannon said:

This is my second post reviewing the book, “The God Delusion”, by Richard Dawkins. The first post can...
November 3, 2007 1:38 PM
 

John Gustav-Wrathall said:

Dawkins did complain in his book that it was impossible for him to refute every religious creed in particular...  But then, if you're going to denounce all religion, that's kind of the task you've set for yourself, isn't it?

As I've written on my own post on this subject, I did find some of Dawkins' arguments strangely reassuring to my faith as a Latter-day Saint.
November 3, 2007 7:20 PM
 

Mormon Transhumanists: Lincoln Cannon said:

This is my third post about Richard Dawkins’ book, “The God Delusion”. The first two posts are available...
November 8, 2007 10:51 PM
 

Mormon Transhumanists: Lincoln Cannon said:

It’s time to get back to my review of Richard Dawkins’ book, “The God Delusion”. In this post, I’ll be...
February 11, 2008 10:39 PM

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About Lincoln Cannon

Lincoln is a founding member, director and president of the Mormon Transhumanist Association. He has thirteen years of professional experience in information technology, working primarily for companies in the systems management industry, such as Symantec and Novell. He holds a masters degree in business administration and a bachelors degree in philosophy from Brigham Young University. Lincoln served a mission to France for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is married with Dorothée Vankrieckenge, a French national, and is father to three bilingual children.

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