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What do you think about the “Friendly AI” movement?

Last post 05-21-2007, 8:23 PM by Brent Allsop. 0 replies.
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  •  05-21-2007, 8:23 PM 2993

    What do you think about the “Friendly AI” movement?

     

    Eyringites,

     

    Over on the ExI list, several people are promoting the Singularity Institute’s new video:

     

    http://www.digg.com/videos/educational/Singularity_Institute_for_Artificial_Intelligence

     

    These guy’s dogged concern over unfriendly AI has always been troubling to me so I’m going to propose creating the following topic in the Canonizer to help clarify the issue, and hopefully enable some progress in the various camps on this issue.

     

    I would love to find out what all of you think on this issue.  If you have any ideas about how we can improve what I have started below (perhaps if you are in another camp you could propose some information and arguments to start that camp’s statement?) I’d love to have your input!  (And please hurry, as I’d like to post a better version of this to the ExI list before this topic fades again.)

     

     

     

    Extropians,

     

    I’m hesitating to digg the singularity institute's new video, but perhaps this isn’t a good thing for me to do?  The reason I am hesitating is because it has always been troubling to me how much this community is concerned about “Friendly AI”.  It seems this is more or less a “religious” or point of view issue with vastly different opinions on many diverse sides.  I’ve tried to bring this issue up before, and I’ve seen others talk about it some, but it would surely be useless to try to glean information from the log files on this issue right?

     

    I think it would be great if we could concisely and briefly document the beliefs of each camp, the reasons for such, and also quantitatively document just who, and how many, are in each camp.  I have much respect for most of you, and know many of you are way smarter than me in many areas.  So it would really help me to be more sure of my beliefs if I could precisely know just what the camps are, the arguments for each, and who believes in them.  This is why I’m trying to build a POV Wiki like the Canonizer.  I don’t want 50 different half baked testimonials I have to search the group’s archives for, I want a concise encyclopedic easily digestible specification of each of the camps and precise indication of who and how many are in each camp.

     

    So, towards that end, I’m going to throw out a beginning draft of a specification of a topic on this issue.  This will include a Wikipedia like agreement statement that will contain facts and info we find we can all agree on.  Anything we do not agree on must be moved to sub POV statements describing the various “camps” on this issue.  I’ve included a beginning statement which I hope can evolve to concisely specify what I (and some of you?) believe.

     

    For those of you that have a different POV, I would hope you can also concisely describe what you believe, and why you believe it.  Hopefully, if I am wrong, such a concise specification, and ability to see just who believes such, will enable me to finally “see the light” all the sooner right?

     

    Could one of you that believe in the importance of concern about “Friendly AI” throw out a beginning statement about what you believe to get your camp started?  And if anyone is in my camp, I’d sure love to know who you are and have some help to better argue this point.  Then I can get this data Wikied into the Canonizer.  I’m hoping with something like this we can start making some better progress on such issues, rather than just rehashing the same old same old in half backed ways in forums over and over again.

     

     

    Toipc Name: Friendly AI Importance

     

    Statement Name: Agreement

    One Line:  The importance of Friendly Artificial Intelligence.

     

    Many Transhumanists, and others, are concerned about the possibility of an unfriendly AI arising too early in the near future resulting in our “doom”.  Some, such as those involved in the Singularity Institute, are addressing their concern by actively promoting their concerns, and working on research to ensure a “Friendly AI” is created first.

     

     

     

    Statement name: Such concern is mistaken

    One Line:  Concern over unfriendly AI is a big mistake.

     

    We believe morality, or on this topic, we will instead use the term “friendliness”, to be congruent with intelligence.  In other words, the more intelligent any being is, the friendlier it will be.  We believe it is irrational to believe otherwise, for fundamental reasons like, if you seek to destroy others, you will then be “lonely” which cannot be as good as not being lonely and destructive.  It seems rationally impossible for any sufficiently “smart” entity to escape such absolute “friendly” logic.

     

    If this is true, having such concerns would be unnecessarily damaging to movements pushing technological progress, as it will instill unwarranted fear amongst the technology fearful and luddites who are prone to fear things such as an “Unfriendly AI”.

     

    Some of our parents attempted to instill very religious beliefs and values into us.  But when we discovered how wrong some of these values were, we of course, with some amount of effort, “reprogrammed” ourselves to be much better than that.   We believe, even to think that you could some how program into a self improving AI any kind of restricting “values” just seems as absurd as the idea that parents might be able to “program” their children, to never change the values taught to them in their youth, forever more.

     

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